tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post391297617080421514..comments2023-11-03T06:35:48.003-05:00Comments on Shark and Shepherd: Let's not confuse outselves with factsRick Esenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07280070509167910367noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-15514028305242952462007-09-28T22:36:00.000-05:002007-09-28T22:36:00.000-05:00Rick, I love reading your blog entries and the res...Rick, I love reading your blog entries and the responses from the left. It seems to me that you are rarely/almost never, intellectually challenged with a rational refutation. You are ad hominemed, gently sometimes, you are told that as a conservative mind, that your position is moot. Either Mark Belling or Charlie Sykes is mentioned, and you are dismissed because they, not you occupy the caring moral high ground.<BR/>Rick, I'm laughing hysterically at Anonymous 9:24 who lamely attempts to refute you, without citing anything.......except his anonymous fiat. He tells you how wrong you are, and how much you sound like some other guy he disagrees with, but, he never tells you where you are incorrect factually. He blathers about "crazy" actions by Conservatives, and he finishes by telling you not to be a 2-bit blogger who cheerleads other 2-bit right wing bloggers.<BR/>And he supports his opinions with....<BR/>NOTHING.<BR/>I guess he told you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-79517494140746485862007-09-28T15:19:00.000-05:002007-09-28T15:19:00.000-05:00A-9:24 says:For what it’s worth, stick to being th...A-9:24 says:<BR/><BR/><I>For what it’s worth, stick to being the conservative legal scholar who defends solid conservative thought and not a two-bit right-wing blogger who needs to cheerlead all the other two-bit bloggers.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>Are you willing to stay on call to tell me which is which?<BR/><BR/>Look, when another faculty member at the University that I work for does some research, I take it seriously. I want to read his piece more carefully before I comment further (and I am not a statistician, so there's probably a lot about it that I am not qualified to critique) but the statements made about it by the bloggers I referred to were just flat out wrong.<BR/><BR/>My guess is that, as most research purports to show, some amount of racial disparity (ranging from a samll to a great amount) can be explained by nonracial factors but anytime you try to isolate racial effects you run into problems because many things that we might regard as nonracial are highly correlated with (i.e., associated with, not necessarily caused by) race.Rick Esenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280070509167910367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-61750618775358458362007-09-28T09:24:00.000-05:002007-09-28T09:24:00.000-05:00Esenberg, did you take on this debate as an intell...Esenberg, did you take on this debate as an intellectual exercise? You're a smart guy...are you just trying to see if you can use your honed legal mind to defend McAdams? Or -- this can't be the reason -- do you agree with and support his "findings?" <BR/><BR/>Say it ain't so Rick.<BR/><BR/>Some days I read your stuff and it's a smart lawyer guy take on an important issue facing Milwaukee or Wisconsin and other times I read your stuff and you twist in the wind like crazy Bob Donal (sp?) to support some crazy action by a conservative. <BR/><BR/>For what it’s worth, stick to being the conservative legal scholar who defends solid conservative thought and not a two-bit right-wing blogger who needs to cheerlead all the other two-bit bloggers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-43584118681009761772007-09-28T08:44:00.000-05:002007-09-28T08:44:00.000-05:00All you need to know about how John McAdams thinks...All you need to know about how John McAdams thinks and why he's not a credible academic: "the liberals."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-58234483436006215802007-09-27T22:53:00.000-05:002007-09-27T22:53:00.000-05:00It seems that Xoff hasn't even read my article.Not...It seems that Xoff hasn't even read my article.<BR/><BR/>Not only do I have a model of racial disparity (which shows Wisconsin to be about where it would be be expected to be) but also a variety of other data.<BR/><BR/>Xoff doesn't seem to understand that the Sentencing Commission study deals with only a tiny part of the entire criminal justice process, ignoring (for example) who gets arrested, who has charges against them dropped, and how long somebody actually serves in prison.<BR/><BR/>The liberals look silly when they can't actually address the data.John McAdamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04843727752066511266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-79929894432003375432007-09-27T21:47:00.000-05:002007-09-27T21:47:00.000-05:00Self-serving plugs are permitted, but, with all du...Self-serving plugs are permitted, but, with all due respect, you don't respond to McAdams either. The Wisconsin Sentencing Commission report says there are disparities in some (but not all) elements of the criminal justice system that it studied. John acknowledges the disparities but then tries to explore why they may be greater in Wisconsin than elsewhere and whether they may be explained by factors that are not attributable to bias in the system. He suggests that they may be. I haven't commented on that yet, but neither have you. Paul Soglin's post doesn't even acknowledge his point (in fact it flat out mistates it - in some type of obscure jest, I hope) and yours doesn't even addresses it. McAdams doesn't dispute those disparities, he's arguing about what they mean.Rick Esenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280070509167910367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-33085363308314088572007-09-27T20:39:00.000-05:002007-09-27T20:39:00.000-05:00McAdams's hypothesis "isn't airtight?"I'd say it d...McAdams's hypothesis "isn't airtight?"<BR/><BR/>I'd say it doesn't hold water, either.<BR/><BR/>My own anti-"intellectual" take is <A HREF="http://www.uppitywis.org/too-many-blacks-in-prison-try-40-acres-and-a-mule" REL="nofollow"> here, </A> if you'll excuse a self-serving plug. <BR/><BR/>(Those of us who, unlike McAdams, don't have Sykes to promote us need to use every available tool for outreach.)xoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08846380556286798188noreply@blogger.com