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Both are trying to live out the best aspirations of our profession.Rick Esenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280070509167910367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-91606475782148026372007-12-07T18:13:00.000-06:002007-12-07T18:13:00.000-06:00Anon - Your analogies are flawed in several ways. ...Anon - Your analogies are flawed in several ways. First, it's not just "some parent," it's you. This isn't a case of random parents teaching other people's kids.<BR/><BR/>Second, to use the car repair analogy, if a licensed qualified mechanic provided detailed instructions to use this wrench to loosen that screw or attach that hose, I'm pretty confident those basic tasks could be handled by a reasonably educated person. For the more technical tasks, those would require more involvement. If the "parent" in this analogy was not up to the task, it would become apparent pretty quickly that this arrangement was not working. The car will start failing. The parent, wanting the best for the child... er... car, will take it to a traditional shop.<BR/><BR/>Third, this is a voluntary program. No one is forced to attend school like this. If traditional schools are more suitable to you, knock yourself out. Im fairly certain those will always be an option.<BR/><BR/>What we're asking for here is a better way. Virtual schools are an innovative new way to educate kids that is achieving outstanding results. Is it perfect? Perhaps not. But maybe it will lead to another new concept that will be even better. Things improve in increments. If you don't allow the first step, then innovation doesn't happen.<BR/><BR/>"If nothing changes, then nothing changes."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-48476512243066779992007-12-07T17:30:00.000-06:002007-12-07T17:30:00.000-06:00Involved, yes, we all want that of parents.Primary...Involved, yes, we all want that of parents.<BR/><BR/>Primary teachers? No. If I walked in to my kid's school and found the teacher only there less than an hour a week -- the amount of interaction per student, according to the case -- and replaced by some parent or other, I'd be concerned. No matter how many degrees the parent has in other fields or how great a parent he is.<BR/><BR/>If the parent is a previously certified teacher, preferably with experience and keeping up with curricular changes -- and the current standards -- then the legislation ought to recognize those parents' training and abilities.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't want my car worked on by a parent supervised at a distance for an hour a week by a trained mechanic, either. Not when I'm paying for it. Parents who homeschool and want to pay for it actually have that freedom in this state -- unlike many.<BR/><BR/>Be careful about what you're asking for here. The question here is homeschooling for which the public pays. Then the public, through the courts, gets to get into your home -- through your homeschooling. . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-12491854630556877582007-12-07T14:33:00.000-06:002007-12-07T14:33:00.000-06:00You can't make this stuff up! The day after the c...You can't make this stuff up! The day after the courts ruled that virtual schools were bad because of too much parental involvement, WEAC puts up on their website legislation that is being worked on to get parents more involved in their children's schools.<BR/><BR/>http://www.weac.org/news/2007-08/dec07/fmla.htm<BR/><BR/>Hearing held on bill to increase parental involvement in schools<BR/><BR/>Parental involvement helps children succeed in school, Wisconsin’s Teacher of the Year said Thursday (December 6, 2007) while testifying at a Senate Education Committee public hearing in favor of a bill to modify the Wisconsin Family and Medical Leave Act to include school conferences and activities.<BR/><BR/>Beth Oswald, 2008 Wisconsin Teacher of the Year, speaks in favor of Senate Bill 195 at a Senate Education Committee hearing.<BR/><BR/>Senate Bill 195 allows parents to take up to 16 hours of leave time from work to participate in children’s school activities and conferences that cannot be scheduled during non-working hours.<BR/><BR/>“I can really, truly say the more you develop a face-to-face relationship with a parent, the more likely that parent is to feel comfortable initiating contact again with you,” Beth Oswald told the Senate Education Committee. 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McKenna Middle School in Evansville for 11 years, is a recipient of the Kohl Fellowship, 2008 Wisconsin Middle School Teacher of the Year, and the state’s representative for National Teacher of the Year.<BR/><BR/>“These parents are also much more likely to respond in a positive manner when contacted regarding any concerns staff may have about their child, as they now see teachers as partners, rather than adversaries,” she continued. “Additionally, once parent-teacher relationships are formed through contact at open houses and conferences, parents tend to feel more comfortable attending school-day activities.”<BR/><BR/>Research and common sense proves that when parents are involved, their children are more likely to achieve higher grades and test scores, develop better attitudes and behavior, attend school more regularly, complete more homework, graduate from high school and enroll in postsecondary education.<BR/><BR/>“Senate Bill 195 would help these relationships occur, by giving employees the right to attend such valuable and vital school conferences and activities,” Oswald testified. “And while we cannot mandate that parents attend their children’s conferences and meetings, this bill would go a long way toward making it easier for parents who wish they could attend to actually do so.”<BR/><BR/>Rep. Spencer Black, left, discusses the importance of parental involvement in schools at a Senate Education Committee hearing. Looking on is Sen. Tim Carpenter, author of SB 195.<BR/><BR/>Sen. Tim Carpenter of Milwaukee, author of SB 195, and Rep. Spencer Black of Madison, author of the companion bill, Assembly Bill 395, also testified during the hearing.<BR/><BR/>“The parents least likely to get this flexibility… are very often parents of children who would most benefit from this interaction,” Black told the committee. “I know it as a parent and a former teacher. I can tell you as a teacher, it makes all the difference.”<BR/><BR/>Parents who work in low-wage jobs or in tough conditions often have the most difficulty getting approval for time off to participate in their children’s education, he said. “This has a minimum impact on employers but makes an important impact on children,” he added.<BR/><BR/>Sen. Luther Olsen, a member of the Education Committee, asked why a change was necessary. He said he was not aware of anyone who was unable to get off of work for those purposes using paid time off or vacation.<BR/><BR/>“It does happen,” Black responded, stressing that the measure does not require employers to compensate employees for the leave time. “Probably half of the people can’t imagine why this is needed. But a very significant number of people in the state don’t have the ability to take paid time off or vacation. Not every job comes with vacation or paid time off.”<BR/><BR/>Sen. 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