tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post1561326337487393956..comments2023-11-03T06:35:48.003-05:00Comments on Shark and Shepherd: Thinking harder about spending on colleges and prisonsRick Esenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07280070509167910367noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-46974829596310131202008-07-31T15:01:00.000-05:002008-07-31T15:01:00.000-05:00I've seen studies that suggest that, on this basis...<I>I've seen studies that suggest that, on this basis, increased prison spending has been justified but I am not an expert and don't claim to know. </I><BR/><BR/>I am an expert and do claim to know, and we get huge benefit from locking up criminals.<BR/><BR/>The findings are highly robust: punishment deters crime, and incapacitation keeps off the street people who would otherwise be harming people.<BR/><BR/>Why don't liberals like it? In terms of vulgar self-interest, liberals are the sort who do not know cops, prison guards, lawyers who are prosecutors, etc. They do know college professors. <BR/><BR/>Less direct but more important: liberals have a vested interest in attacking all social problems through social programs administered and staffed by people like them.John McAdamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04843727752066511266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-25592826442142512962008-07-31T13:39:00.000-05:002008-07-31T13:39:00.000-05:00Thank you anonymous, my name does say a lot and yo...Thank you anonymous, my name does say a lot and yours says so very little.<BR/>Joseph Steel is the literal English translation or Barack Obama in Kenyan!<BR/>You mentioned that I offered no suggestions for change vis a vis the bottomless money pit known as MPS.<BR/>I do have a suggestion.<BR/>Here it comes.<BR/>Drum roll please.<BR/><BR/>How about we don't increase the budget until there is some accountability for all the failure and dysfunction.<BR/>Or...<BR/>We fire 75% of the administration on Vliet Street and use the extra millions to change the name of a school or two. Y'know make new signs for the school We could call it Riverside University High School. Or how about Hartford Avenue School for Social Justice.<BR/>Ooooooops they've already done that.<BR/>How about we get some really neato groovy signs on every school that say....."Excellence starts here"<BR/>Maybe we could re-name Madison High School...the Flunkatorium.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-84562607436265012472008-07-30T16:04:00.000-05:002008-07-30T16:04:00.000-05:00A couple of things, sorry for the rambling comment...A couple of things, sorry for the rambling comment:<BR/><BR/>I wrote about this a few years ago (I think it's still in the archives on Fighting Bob) and relatively little has actually changed. The difficulty with trying to adjust the state's higher ed budget for inflation is that the university's expenses aren't that related to the CPI. Most of its expenses are related to employing people and, ours being an efficient consumer economy, the price of labor rises faster than the price of eggs. The common fund publishes the Higher Education Price Index but I chose to just look at what the state was spending. The state budget remained relatively constant as a proportion of Gross State Product from 1985 to 2002 so shifts in percentages within the budget could reasonably be assumed to represent shifts in priority. Long story short, the prison population tripled and most of that cost (about $420 million a year by 2002) was accounted for with a drop in proportional funding to the UW System. Interestingly, Minnesota didn't buy into the lock 'em up mentality. They incarcerate fewer than half as many people as we do and have a similar crime rate to show for it. Prisons have a role in crime prevention but it's a much smaller one than they play here.<BR/><BR/>As for the size of the UW system, it has many more campuses than most state university systems but that has more to do with the fact that, since the '70s, Wisconsin has only had one university system (lots of states have two or more) and it has a lot of campuses with relatively few students. I haven't seen comparative enrollment numbers but, as the flagship campus actually has a smaller enrollment than it did 20 years ago and the others haven't grown that much, I can't imagine we're that far out of line.Pete Gruetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05572467982814679508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-72712458601845749422008-07-30T15:11:00.000-05:002008-07-30T15:11:00.000-05:00Joe Stalin--your name definitely says a lot. So. ...Joe Stalin--your name definitely says a lot. So. . .you think "we've" spent far too much money in MPS--what, then, do you propose we do? You sure can complain, but I don't see any suggestions for change coming from you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-89984134673773160882008-07-29T22:16:00.000-05:002008-07-29T22:16:00.000-05:00We have increased spending in Milwaukee Public sch...We have increased spending in Milwaukee Public schools to obscene levels. We have no results for the money spent. The more we have spent, the lower the achievement has been. I doubt there will come a time in my lifetime, that liberals honestly assess what their ideals and programs have wrought. It's like putting a new stereo in a beat up 76 Buick. We're throwing good money after bad. But the only solution a liberal knows is higher taxes. And law suits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com