tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post685428417239189493..comments2023-11-03T06:35:48.003-05:00Comments on Shark and Shepherd: Leather and the Last SupperRick Esenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07280070509167910367noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-88353760831161458762007-10-08T13:22:00.000-05:002007-10-08T13:22:00.000-05:00One other thing Mr. Car. I couldn't help but note...One other thing Mr. Car. I couldn't help but note that buried in your incoherant rant was this:<BR/><BR/><I>And you don't think gay black men with dildo's at the Last Supper is offensive.</I><BR/><BR/>Apparently you have no problem with white men and dildos since the black man you mentioned was the only one.<BR/><BR/>Now who sucks?Other Sidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06475658453374184885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-76704489480744598302007-10-08T11:18:00.000-05:002007-10-08T11:18:00.000-05:00Yo Mr. Car: I said nothing about the Folsom Stree...Yo Mr. Car: I said nothing about the Folsom Street Festival. I complimented Rick on having produced, I thought, a balanced look at the issue.<BR/><BR/>My comment was about your apparent inability to understand the irony of accusing liberals of hating when the name you use to describe yourself is hateful to the core.<BR/><BR/>It's getting even louder in here.Other Sidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06475658453374184885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-52119737670397157452007-10-07T08:35:00.000-05:002007-10-07T08:35:00.000-05:00Here's an excert from information that I recieved...Here's an excert from information that I recieved about a month ago.<BR/>I think "Miller" and others should read this book so rather then supporting this behavior they could maybe help victims out of that life style. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"In a 414-page book entitled Ex Gays? A Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change in Sexual Orientation, researchers Stanton Jones, Ph.D. and Mark Yarhouse, Pys.D., conclude that (1) change in homosexual attraction is possible, and (2) attempts to change are not harmful. Both conclusions will have profound implications in the counseling world."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-67425563607992745492007-10-07T00:47:00.000-05:002007-10-07T00:47:00.000-05:00Other side? I see you did a little liberal fly by....Other side? I see you did a little liberal fly by.<BR/>The Folsom Street organizers, created a poster that parodies the last supper. It uses filth and sexual decadence to mock the last supper of Jesus Christ. Other side, I completely understand and recognize your cowardly denial. You are a lib. As a lib misfit, you pretend not to see what you clearly see. It's typical liberal hate. The organizers of the gay "fetish fest" much like you, realize that pretending to be a minority and/or victim class pressures sponsors like Miller etc. to be "inclusive".<BR/>Problem is, leftists like you, cannot control yourselves. You support the unsupportable, you defend the indefensible, you encourage intolerant abusive behaviors that even you don't agree with. Other side, you've long ago abandoned honor and decency. Freaks like you have come to realize that you need to "partner up" with even nuttier/goofier freaks in order to have a little coalition.<BR/>So you've stopped being logical and normal. You've joined forces and have become coalition/co-dependant partners with freaks.<BR/>And now you need freaks to be your<BR/>partner to have power. And you don't think gay black men with dildo's at the Last Supper is offensive. You suck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-27071356492729515732007-10-06T22:42:00.000-05:002007-10-06T22:42:00.000-05:00I join with IllusorySee, even Ol' Dad's got a maso...<I>I join with Illusory</I><BR/><BR/>See, even Ol' Dad's got a masochistic streak.illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-53082242913153034042007-10-06T14:39:00.000-05:002007-10-06T14:39:00.000-05:00While I agree with your delightful and felicitous ...While I agree with your delightful and felicitous description of Donohue, I am offended by the depiction AND by Miller's corporate stamp (meaning they purchased the offensive posters.)<BR/><BR/>And here's why: it is an offense against sensibilities, or (if you like,) Western culture. <BR/><BR/>As you may recall, I was one of very few who joined with the Pope in condemning the "Mohammed cartoons" published in Sweden--and I join with Illusory (heaven help me!) in his assessment of the "get sex here" nature of Miller's advertising, as well.<BR/><BR/>Not that Miller is alone, nor are they the worst offender.<BR/><BR/>Denigrating the (strict sense)Judaeo/Christian culture of the West is (in the very very broadest way) an offense against right order, properly defined. Thus, it is an offense against the law germinated by that very same West. It is thus ironic that you are non-chalant, given the logical consequences of that offense.<BR/><BR/>Religion cannot be a 'stick-on' like a smiley-face button or necktie. It is even more than the lapel-pin US flag, for religion endorses patriotism (rightly understood.)<BR/><BR/>But in the end, all I can do is choose not to purchase Miller product. They, too, chose--and they chose first.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-9497748154706613082007-10-06T10:39:00.000-05:002007-10-06T10:39:00.000-05:00Rick,I understand you logic in thinking badly of p...Rick,<BR/><BR/>I understand you logic in thinking badly of people who are perpetually offended. And maybe in some perfect world, everybody should be laid back.<BR/><BR/>The problem is that the politically correct left has changed the rules. Claiming to be "offended" demands concessions from others.<BR/><BR/>Think of it as a prisoners' dilemma. So long as the left can play the "offended" card to silence expression they don't like, they need to face a right that will play by the same rules.<BR/><BR/>This logic is why I rather applaud attacks on academic freedom from the right. I don't want them to <B>succeed</B>, but I do want leftist academics to be afraid that their academic freedom might be taken.<BR/><BR/>Once the campus left decides that the right doesn't have the power to take its freedom, it will proceed to fire conservative professors.<BR/><BR/>As for students: the process is already far along.John McAdamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04843727752066511266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-32478331425063994282007-10-06T09:39:00.000-05:002007-10-06T09:39:00.000-05:00Rick: A balanced look at the issue.ted kennedys ca...Rick: A balanced look at the issue.<BR/><BR/><I>ted kennedys car: Rick, it's just more liberal hate.</I><BR/><BR/>Sometimes the irony is deafening.Other Sidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06475658453374184885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-57565626457454328382007-10-06T09:34:00.000-05:002007-10-06T09:34:00.000-05:00There has to be more to it than that. Beer adverti...There has to be more to it than that. Beer advertising has been objectifying women since forever.<BR/><BR/>If the problem is the self-objectification inherent to the submissive's role in a BDSM relationship, consent is a crucial aspect, as I understand it, within strictly defined limits.<BR/><BR/>The general objectification of women in Miller's more "mainstream" marketing activities is far more insidious.illusory tenanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08524761974822871419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-17271343609058806292007-10-06T08:58:00.000-05:002007-10-06T08:58:00.000-05:00Just to be clear, my own sense is that the problem...Just to be clear, my own sense is that the problem with Folsom Street is not that it is homosexual but that it objectifies people - of whatever sex.Rick Esenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280070509167910367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-74057562094786433492007-10-06T08:34:00.000-05:002007-10-06T08:34:00.000-05:00Beer and sports, beer and races, beer and grill ou...Beer and sports, beer and races, beer and grill outs, beer and dancing and now beer and homosexuals.<BR/><BR/>What's next, pedophiles, xxx, what? <BR/><BR/>It looks like the high life is taking the low road.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-78355662092914443272007-10-05T21:44:00.000-05:002007-10-05T21:44:00.000-05:00Rick, it's just more liberal hate.It doesn't make ...Rick, it's just more liberal hate.<BR/>It doesn't make me fume either, I've come to expect hate from the left. I suggest that if a Fraternity had a street or block party and had the last supper being inhabited by black face with watermelon and fried chicken, our liberal friends wouldn't be so nice about it. And Miller wouldn't sponsor it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-24263123169403417432007-10-05T18:17:00.000-05:002007-10-05T18:17:00.000-05:00"This parody was undertaken by a group that is at ..."This parody was undertaken by a group that is at odds with the Catholic Church and much of the Christian world. The latter tells them that their sexual practices are immoral and harmful. They don't like that and the Last Supper tableau, imputing those practices to Jesus and the Apostles is an aggressive and nasty way of expressing that dislike."<BR/><BR/>Reader quiz:<BR/><BR/>Is Esenberg engaging in<BR/><BR/>A. Mental telepathy<BR/>B. Psychological projection<BR/>C. Making stuff up<BR/>D. All of the aboveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-84668814550219799892007-10-05T15:18:00.000-05:002007-10-05T15:18:00.000-05:00Of course, all of San Francisco would be terrified...Of course, all of San Francisco would be terrified if the Folsom Street Festival were to have similarly appropriated the image of Muhammad to promote their event.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com