tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post7763358735813231583..comments2023-11-03T06:35:48.003-05:00Comments on Shark and Shepherd: Donovan deserves an answerRick Esenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07280070509167910367noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-78676707941704895712010-02-25T15:42:56.605-06:002010-02-25T15:42:56.605-06:00http://markonzo.edu Excellent site. It was pleasan...http://markonzo.edu Excellent site. 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Yeh, it was mo...Funniest line in a long time, Dad. Yeh, it was moral suasion that moved him to repent. Oh, that's right, he didn't repent; he's denying it all.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you meant that it was moral suasion that moved GOP leaders to move him . . . uh, no, that was political expediency. . . .<BR/><BR/>So maybe we need to see national leadership showing a sense of shame -- about the Craig incident, about lying to Congress, about many other misuses of power -- before we can expect it to be emulated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-82004452747808593412007-09-08T12:45:00.000-05:002007-09-08T12:45:00.000-05:00No, it's not a question. It's a statement of fact...No, it's not a question. It's a statement of fact.<BR/><BR/>Peer-reviewed research, printed on bazillions of dead trees, tells us that 1) illegitimacy and 2) lack of HS education lead to serious sociopathies. Obviously it is not true for EVERY case, but the stats are clear. Go here: http://www.worldcongress.org/ and dig around a bit.<BR/><BR/>What Hines, Barrett, and other political figures CAN do is to re-institute the concept of 'shame,' of course--but they haven't. It would be helpful if 'religious figures' would do the same--but they haven't.<BR/><BR/>We have not only made licit that which should not be so--we have entirely given up on moral suasion.<BR/><BR/>Hell, moral suasion worked on Larry Craig...Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-38185494684971955662007-09-07T15:13:00.000-05:002007-09-07T15:13:00.000-05:00Hey Dad - you answer a question with a question: ...Hey Dad - you answer a question with a question: "the root-causes are what those eeeeeevil Conservatives have been saying for years: no father-figure, little discipline, non-completion of HS."<BR/><BR/>What are the causes for these conditions where they exist? You highlight the problem; the rightwing "discussion" of violence and general disorder doesn't go anywhere. It simply declares that things should be different; it doesn't begin to ask why they are how they are currently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-9205837054716538682007-09-07T13:14:00.000-05:002007-09-07T13:14:00.000-05:00Anony, for the record, I do not LIKE the rationale...Anony, for the record, I do not LIKE the rationale I proposed...but like Rick, I don't understand the silence, either.<BR/><BR/>It's possible, too, that the root-causes are what those eeeeeevil Conservatives have been saying for years: no father-figure, little discipline, non-completion of HS.<BR/><BR/>IN that case, what's an Alderman to do?Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-22679627145864993122007-09-06T16:51:00.000-05:002007-09-06T16:51:00.000-05:00And the statement is not correct about all of Milw...And the statement is not correct about all of Milwaukee. Very selective data used here to make sweeping generalizations.<BR/><BR/>In my part of Milwaukee, we saw an increase in crimes this summer -- perhaps as a result of pulling our cops away to target other areas.<BR/><BR/>So it may not have cut crime but only moved criminals. It has cut homicides, and I'm all for that. I'm all for continuing to target these areas, too, as the policy of containment to those two areas was making good people there suffer.<BR/><BR/>But pushing the bad people out to other areas for others to suffer was not solving or cutting crime, not in all of Milwaukee.<BR/><BR/>So, yes, we need more police -- in other parts of the city, too, to keep the safe areas safe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-68811408197260321502007-09-06T16:13:00.000-05:002007-09-06T16:13:00.000-05:00Maybe Whoopi got it right when talking about Micha...Maybe Whoopi got it right when talking about Michael Vick.<BR/> "There are certain things that are indicative to certain parts of the country."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-52029101833977454622007-09-06T14:00:00.000-05:002007-09-06T14:00:00.000-05:00Who says they're being quiet? Because they aren't ...Who says they're being quiet? Because they aren't on conservative talk radio? Because they're actually governing and meeting with families/residents, rather than sending out press releases every five minutes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-38315042865248393632007-09-06T13:56:00.000-05:002007-09-06T13:56:00.000-05:00Here is one answer - Donovan has long proven that ...Here is one answer - Donovan has long proven that simply being enraged and demanding that "Somebody do something!!!" is ineffective.<BR/><BR/>As for you rightwingers who suggest, as you do here, that the experience of the '60s and '70s proves that no affirmative community intervention by government (i.e., other than cops and jails) can do any good - you offer entirely false logic and kill any debate of policy options.<BR/><BR/>Finally, Donovan and others would do well to recognize the wild disparities in political power and resources as between various constituencies. The idea that one who represents an economically stable, well-resourced district should thunder down to one who doesn't it both silly and insulting.<BR/><BR/>Final answer - the one experiment that we know has failed - more arrests, more convictions, longer sentences - and yes all that has been steadily happening for decades - has failed to create stability and safety. <BR/><BR/>At least Dad29's suggestion of passive extermination is an honest, albeit reprehensible one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-66835880088512210292007-09-06T10:47:00.000-05:002007-09-06T10:47:00.000-05:00Not to be TOO cynical, but since 90+% of shooting ...Not to be TOO cynical, but since 90+% of shooting victims have long criminal records, maybe being quiet is the preference.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.com