tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post8697974268067790492..comments2023-11-03T06:35:48.003-05:00Comments on Shark and Shepherd: Ten Questions On Health CareRick Esenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07280070509167910367noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-83857246618735332422010-03-27T20:50:08.743-05:002010-03-27T20:50:08.743-05:00Hey dad. One sure way to ensure zero credibility i...Hey dad. One sure way to ensure zero credibility is to spout facts. God, do you hate those.<br /><br />And the best part is that Frum was trying to save the collection GOP behinds. You guys are so fun to play with.krshorewoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00417863312104824551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-73288659162826979752010-03-21T20:43:46.673-05:002010-03-21T20:43:46.673-05:00So Barney Frank was called a "faggot" an...So Barney Frank was called a "faggot" and Emanuel Cleaver was spit on, but some footage didn't catch John Lewis being called a "nigger," so we're all good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-7423398960975715132010-03-21T20:28:29.057-05:002010-03-21T20:28:29.057-05:00David Frum hit the nail on the head. Tonight Rush...David Frum hit the nail on the head. Tonight Rush Limbaugh is laughing all the way to the bank. I'm sure his numbers are good, and Sleepnumber is writing him some nice big checks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-1464211272935267902010-03-21T20:26:22.715-05:002010-03-21T20:26:22.715-05:00David Frum has ZERO credibility in the Conservativ...<i>David Frum has ZERO credibility in the Conservative movement.</i><br /><br />I don't think Frum would disagree with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-16013685725686965772010-03-21T19:55:08.143-05:002010-03-21T19:55:08.143-05:00David Frum has ZERO credibility in the Conservativ...David Frum has ZERO credibility in the Conservative movement. <br /><br />But just for fun, I'll play Davey: "What if all Conservatives stopped paying taxes right now? Perhaps the Democrats could have reasoned together with them..."<br /><br />Hypothesis-rich, brain-poor, David Frum.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-17496463055159945792010-03-21T19:52:44.766-05:002010-03-21T19:52:44.766-05:00Why was Barney Frank called a faggot. Why was the ...<i>Why was Barney Frank called a faggot. Why was the N-word shouted at John Lewis?</i><br /><br />Sorry, tuna--you were hooked by an old liar or three.<br /><br />The videotape of Lewis' walk is out there and guess what? NO 'n-word' is heard.<br /><br />But hey! There's always a noose hanging in college dorms, right?Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-33357801584344425452010-03-21T16:26:38.508-05:002010-03-21T16:26:38.508-05:00Correct link to David Frum.<a href="http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo" rel="nofollow">Correct link to David Frum.</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-52884715155721411552010-03-21T16:25:50.511-05:002010-03-21T16:25:50.511-05:00I think it's worthwhile to quote David Frum at...I think it's worthwhile to <a href="http://www.domain.com/" rel="nofollow">quote David Frum</a> at length this afternoon, from a piece titled "Waterloo": <br /><br /><i>Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.<br /><br />...<br /><br />At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.<br /><br />...<br /><br />Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.<br /><br />...<br /><br />We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.<br /><br />There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-34246963823718536052010-03-21T12:10:20.089-05:002010-03-21T12:10:20.089-05:00More on #4 here.
More on #8 here. Bipartisanship...More on #4 <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703936804575108080266520738.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />More on #8 <a href="http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Checking-In-With/Durenberger-1993-gop-bill-q-and-a.aspx" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Bipartisanship doesn't mean chasing the Republican shift to the right. And <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/us/politics/17mcconnell.html?pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">this</a> doesn't help, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-30279330420825502482010-03-21T11:38:02.184-05:002010-03-21T11:38:02.184-05:0010. Your conservative activist judges will save yo...10. Your conservative activist judges will save you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-72929538847690654002010-03-21T11:18:41.469-05:002010-03-21T11:18:41.469-05:00Why was Barney Frank called a faggot. Why was the ...Why was Barney Frank called a faggot. Why was the N-word shouted at John Lewis? This is not about health care reform but a tea party that has become like the Brown Shirts (Sturmabteilung). Conservative elements fueling racist and homophobic hate; perhaps they took a page from Karl Rove from 2004....lets use same sex marriage to get the votes of the hateful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-13618528464948952452010-03-21T11:16:05.334-05:002010-03-21T11:16:05.334-05:001. The bill pays for itself and then some, accord...1. The bill pays for itself and then some, according to the CBO. If you have a specific critique w/ the CBO score, spell it out, don't hide behind vague phrases and links.<br /><br />2. See above.<br /><br />3. Talk about a red herring. You're only taking one aspect of the public sale and expanding it as if it's all the White House said on the topic. But the public focus on the insurance industry was the pre-empt <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5be59c7a-2baa-11df-a5c7-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1" rel="nofollow">this</a>. The Dems learned that lesson of 1994. <br /><br />4. From <a href="http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2009/12/21/the-revised-senate-health-reform-bill-cost-control-and-other-aspects/" rel="nofollow">the Health Affairs blog</a> on the Senate bill in December: "One of the most common complaints about the health reform legislation pending in Congress is that the bills do nothing to control the growth in health care costs or improve the quality of health care. Those who raise this complaint either have not read the bills or are very attached to a particular proposal that was somehow left out. This is not to say that the legislation will actually control costs or improve quality; it is simply to say that many, if not most, of the credible ideas that health policy analysts or economists have dreamed up over the past two decades for bending the cost growth curve or improving the quality of American health care are in the bills." <br /><br />5. The CBO disagrees, and, sorry, but you haven't presented anything here to override a detailed economic analysis that includes elaborate models to consider your basic point and then some. <br /><br />6. Not all coverage will be running through the exchanges. In fact, most will not. The government will be exercising more control over the currently dysfunctional individual and small business markets. If that's such a scary thing, why aren't opponents honest about what it's doing and not call it a government takeover of health care?<br /><br />7. Sorry, you're going to need to present some evidence for this one (and not from an NRO blog post). Just saying it makes sense to you isn't enough.<br /><br />8. I think you're first commenter covered this pretty well, but I'll add that the bill includes a wide number of GOP amendments -- at least the ones intended to further its goals rather than sink it.<br /><br />9. I'm not sure why the bill doesn't include the public option. Maybe you can answer why public opinion was ignored on that one.<br /><br />10. So, every time constitutional objections are raised, legislation should be pre-emptively scrapped? Yeah, I'm sure you believe that. But given that the top constitutional objection appears to be to the individual mandate, which you yourself have agreed is necessary for any successful health reform, how exactly do you propose the objections could have been readily avoided?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20692053.post-5155069382099839812010-03-21T10:29:57.977-05:002010-03-21T10:29:57.977-05:008. Why freeze out the Republicans?
Why ask stupi...8. Why freeze out the Republicans? <br /><br />Why ask stupid questions, Ricky? No Republican will vote for it even if given the opportunity to amend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com