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Tuesday, April 03, 2012
Republicans' Secret Weapon?
If I didn't know better, I'd suspect that Graeme Zelinski was a Republican Party plant - dirty trick. I would find it hard to believe that a political party would want its spokeperson to act in the way that he does.
If I didn't know better.
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No different than any GOP operative, Professor. It's called politics. Do you have disgust for similar behaviors by your counterparts?
Zielinski admitted to fabricating the tweet in question.
The Republicans in our state admit to running fake Democrats in primaries.
George, it's not surprising that (D) and (R) partisans rarely call out their brethren for behavior they find appalling...and then accuse their political opponents for refusing to sanction their own members for those actions they supposedly disdain.
And, obviously, people DO pay attention to Zielinski's antics...they are blogging about it!
Furthermore, who cares if Zielinski worked for the MJS. I could easily say that some of the GOP hacks out there were previously employed by news outlets and/or organizations? I fail to see your point.
I thought the Daily Show was much more funny when they tweeted "I'm not saying Pinterest is a girly site, but congressional Republicans just tried to ban federal funding for it."
Hey, at least Zielinski doesn't have the same track record as your boy Mark Block (or Wigderson, for that matter), who was called out by the old Elections Board, forced to pay a huge fine, and made to sit our elections for a couple cycles.
Allegedly Block has run afoul of the campaign finance laws again, this time at the federal level. That's quite a record.
Unaware that Zielinski is guilty of anything except bad taste from time to time.
Apparently he gets under your skin, which is his objective. You spend enough time fixating on his every act. If his style wasn't effective, it is likely that you folks would ignore him, no?
To say, well Republicans do stupid and unsavory things too is not to put them in Zeilinski's category. I am unaware of anyone who has ever been employed by the Republican Party who has ever demonstrated the naked vitriol and incivility that Zielinski demonstrates on a daily basis.
By way of example, I disagree with much of what Mike Tate says. I think a lot of it is intemperate. But it is generally what we see from political spokespeople. Zielinski is several steps beyond that.
It's not just this particular instance - read the guy's twitter feed. Anyone who seems to hate that many people that much needs help.
There are certainly people like that on the right but, as far as I know, the state GOP doesn't make them the face of the party.
Mark Block's problems are of a different nature' He is, in any event, not "my boy" nor does he enjoy much support among state conservatives. I seem to recall Sykes breaking bad on him during his 15 minutes of fame. Indeed, my impression is that many state conservatives feel misused by him. I think that, if the state GOP proposed to make him a spokesperson, there would be a great deal of push back.
Running "fake Democrats" was not an expression of hate but a strategic ploy that was, at least in part, causeed by the GAB's odd decision to bifurcate the recall elections. The Democrats initially said that they would do the same thing but then withdrew their candidates at the last minute for strategic reasons. You may dislike that type of think but it's not the same.
Does "employed by the Republican Party" include anyone working for the MacIver Institute? Because the fellow who operates their Twitter feed, and their ace reporter Bill Osmulski - they'd seem to fit the bill. Heavens to Saul Alinsky's Ghost! I could point to a few rabid blogs, too, including lacustrine and trogloditic GOP employees.
"To say, well Republicans do stupid and unsavory things too is not to put them in Zeilinski's category."
Professor, you are making the mistake in trying to differentiate overall boorish behavior as being "more bad" or "less bad".
"I am unaware of anyone who has ever been employed by the Republican Party who has ever demonstrated the naked vitriol and incivility that Zielinski demonstrates on a daily basis."
Then you are not looking hard enough, or you are wearing blinders.
"There are certainly people like that on the right but, as far as I know, the state GOP doesn't make them the face of the party."
Depends on how one defines "employed" and "face of the party". Yes, Zielinski may say things which are over the top...but, unfortunately, that is part for the course in this day and age, and his words as ONE of MANY (D) party officials are no different, and no worse, than what the Fitzgerald brothers, Charlie Sykes, or Mark Block says, too.
Are you on record condemning their incivility and vitriol on a regular basis?
"Running "fake Democrats" was not an expression of hate but a strategic ploy."
Who said it was an expression of hate? Indeed, this tactic is a PROTEST MEASURE, similar to those Democrats who chose to leave the state. Yet, it seems you are willing to "give a free pass" to the GOP maneuver.
"Yet, it seems you are willing to "give a free pass" to the GOP maneuver."
It is a foundation of humanity that we go to great lengths to justify things done by our tribe while criticizing the exact same thing done by members of the other tribe.
A GOP hack like the professor is no different, better, or worse than any other Democrat hack.
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No different than any GOP operative, Professor. It's called politics. Do you have disgust for similar behaviors by your counterparts?
Zielinski admitted to fabricating the tweet in question.
The Republicans in our state admit to running fake Democrats in primaries.
More nonsense from both sides. Pathetic, indeed.
The well-written Politifact item omitted Zielinski's prior employment at the MJS.
He's a net plus for conservatives, but it's unclear if anyone pays any attention to his antics.
If he were the GOP flak his style probably would have attracted MSM attention earlier.
Anony 6:43 p.m. here...
George, it's not surprising that (D) and (R) partisans rarely call out their brethren for behavior they find appalling...and then accuse their political opponents for refusing to sanction their own members for those actions they supposedly disdain.
And, obviously, people DO pay attention to Zielinski's antics...they are blogging about it!
Furthermore, who cares if Zielinski worked for the MJS. I could easily say that some of the GOP hacks out there were previously employed by news outlets and/or organizations? I fail to see your point.
Zielinski had an interesting career at mjs. His former colleagues should report on it.
An intelligent people would rise up and ban both parties, sending the partisan hacks to forced labor camps.
I thought the Daily Show was much more funny when they tweeted "I'm not saying Pinterest is a girly site, but congressional Republicans just tried to ban federal funding for it."
Hey, at least Zielinski doesn't have the same track record as your boy Mark Block (or Wigderson, for that matter), who was called out by the old Elections Board, forced to pay a huge fine, and made to sit our elections for a couple cycles.
Allegedly Block has run afoul of the campaign finance laws again, this time at the federal level. That's quite a record.
Unaware that Zielinski is guilty of anything except bad taste from time to time.
Apparently he gets under your skin, which is his objective. You spend enough time fixating on his every act. If his style wasn't effective, it is likely that you folks would ignore him, no?
Anons
To say, well Republicans do stupid and unsavory things too is not to put them in Zeilinski's category. I am unaware of anyone who has ever been employed by the Republican Party who has ever demonstrated the naked vitriol and incivility that Zielinski demonstrates on a daily basis.
By way of example, I disagree with much of what Mike Tate says. I think a lot of it is intemperate. But it is generally what we see from political spokespeople. Zielinski is several steps beyond that.
It's not just this particular instance - read the guy's twitter feed. Anyone who seems to hate that many people that much needs help.
There are certainly people like that on the right but, as far as I know, the state GOP doesn't make them the face of the party.
Mark Block's problems are of a different nature' He is, in any event, not "my boy" nor does he enjoy much support among state conservatives. I seem to recall Sykes breaking bad on him during his 15 minutes of fame. Indeed, my impression is that many state conservatives feel misused by him. I think that, if the state GOP proposed to make him a spokesperson, there would be a great deal of push back.
Running "fake Democrats" was not an expression of hate but a strategic ploy that was, at least in part, causeed by the GAB's odd decision to bifurcate the recall elections. The Democrats initially said that they would do the same thing but then withdrew their candidates at the last minute for strategic reasons. You may dislike that type of think but it's not the same.
"Anyone who seems to hate that many people that much needs help."
Dad29 comes to mind immediately. The man raises hate to an art form. And he talks incessantly about why your folks should "buy more ammo."
You want to talk bat-dung crazy? Here is Exhibit A!
Does "employed by the Republican Party" include anyone working for the MacIver Institute? Because the fellow who operates their Twitter feed, and their ace reporter Bill Osmulski - they'd seem to fit the bill. Heavens to Saul Alinsky's Ghost! I could point to a few rabid blogs, too, including lacustrine and trogloditic GOP employees.
"This is an electronic record that you are now aware of this fact." Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!
Anony 6:43 p.m. here...
"To say, well Republicans do stupid and unsavory things too is not to put them in Zeilinski's category."
Professor, you are making the mistake in trying to differentiate overall boorish behavior as being "more bad" or "less bad".
"I am unaware of anyone who has ever been employed by the Republican Party who has ever demonstrated the naked vitriol and incivility that Zielinski demonstrates on a daily basis."
Then you are not looking hard enough, or you are wearing blinders.
"There are certainly people like that on the right but, as far as I know, the state GOP doesn't make them the face of the party."
Depends on how one defines "employed" and "face of the party". Yes, Zielinski may say things which are over the top...but, unfortunately, that is part for the course in this day and age, and his words as ONE of MANY (D) party officials are no different, and no worse, than what the Fitzgerald brothers, Charlie Sykes, or Mark Block says, too.
Are you on record condemning their incivility and vitriol on a regular basis?
"Running "fake Democrats" was not an expression of hate but a strategic ploy."
Who said it was an expression of hate? Indeed, this tactic is a PROTEST MEASURE, similar to those Democrats who chose to leave the state. Yet, it seems you are willing to "give a free pass" to the GOP maneuver.
"Yet, it seems you are willing to "give a free pass" to the GOP maneuver."
It is a foundation of humanity that we go to great lengths to justify things done by our tribe while criticizing the exact same thing done by members of the other tribe.
A GOP hack like the professor is no different, better, or worse than any other Democrat hack.
1 Ocular Lens graticule @ 20x Objective Lens = 0.05mm. Features 30mm eyepiece ocular tubes! Most compound microscopes are 23mm. The eye piece is so adjusted that it forms a virtual image at the least distance of distinct vision "d" .The final image is highly magnified. ACCU-SCOPE Microscope.
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